HSMP is no longer considered equivalent to EEA candidates. Length of visa need to cover the whole period of the job.
First of all, the work permits make a hell a lot of money to give an initial HSMP visa for 2 years. Most jobs are of 5 or 6 years duration. Now, how do you expect to get a job in the UK...
This country is a load of walking contradictions.... Common sense is very uncommon... People are considered fools, as if they dont understand what is happening, just because they keep quiet...
Shame on the system, feeding on its immigrants...
Saturday, February 10, 2007
Monday, February 5, 2007
The Hoax of Medicine in the UK.Part 3
3. HSMP and English language training
Most other organizations like the ECFMG ( Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates ), which monitors the training in the USA, considers that a pass in the IELTS in the last two years is enough. And if the IELTS was taken before two years, and if you have been working in a country where the primary language of communication is English as in England, then, the English language criteria is automatically met.
Unfortunately, the HSMP is less pragmatic in this situation. Although they have mentioned in the application that if the graduation is done in English, it is fine, the UK NARIC , the organization employed by the work permits to look for equivalence does not recognize the English from a number of Universities from India. So, even though people fulfil all the criteria for an HSMP, and have been working in the UK for the last 2 years, their HSMP applications have been rejected saying that their IELTS is not valid. The situation is even made worse, when a lot of east European candidates who do not speak English are exempted from the rule.
I know people who submitted evidence from Indian Universities, stating that the medium of language of MBBS was English. But their application was rejected, saying the English at the University was less than an IELTS standard of 6. So this person now has to spend 100 pounds for repeating an IELTS and another 315 pounds for HSMP application. This is in addition to 350 pounds which he will be spending to stamp the visa.
Any sane man, can see that a person who has passed IELTS and has been practicing medicine in the UK, would be able to speak English. This whole drama could be attributable only to one point…. The desperate need for the system to drain money from the overseas doctor...
Most other organizations like the ECFMG ( Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates ), which monitors the training in the USA, considers that a pass in the IELTS in the last two years is enough. And if the IELTS was taken before two years, and if you have been working in a country where the primary language of communication is English as in England, then, the English language criteria is automatically met.
Unfortunately, the HSMP is less pragmatic in this situation. Although they have mentioned in the application that if the graduation is done in English, it is fine, the UK NARIC , the organization employed by the work permits to look for equivalence does not recognize the English from a number of Universities from India. So, even though people fulfil all the criteria for an HSMP, and have been working in the UK for the last 2 years, their HSMP applications have been rejected saying that their IELTS is not valid. The situation is even made worse, when a lot of east European candidates who do not speak English are exempted from the rule.
I know people who submitted evidence from Indian Universities, stating that the medium of language of MBBS was English. But their application was rejected, saying the English at the University was less than an IELTS standard of 6. So this person now has to spend 100 pounds for repeating an IELTS and another 315 pounds for HSMP application. This is in addition to 350 pounds which he will be spending to stamp the visa.
Any sane man, can see that a person who has passed IELTS and has been practicing medicine in the UK, would be able to speak English. This whole drama could be attributable only to one point…. The desperate need for the system to drain money from the overseas doctor...
The Hoax of Medicine in the UK Part 1
1. PLAB and job opportunity
PLAB, otherwise called the professional and linguistic examination, is the exam that a person has to pass in order to start applying for jobs/training in the UK. It is a two part exam, first part being an MCQ and the second part an OSCE. The total cost of exams is around 500 pounds. The second part as of now can be taken only in the UK. A PLAB Visa costs you some more money and in addition, the flight tickets and the cost of stay in the UK.
A pass in the PLAB exam, does not guarantee a job, though. Most jobs in the UK, ask for previous UK experience, possession of a GMC registration and the possession of a valid visa. Even though, all employers in UK follow the equal opportunity policy of non discrimination, British nationals and EU citizens get priority for all the jobs.
The situation is always a paradox, because unless you get a job, the GMC does not give you a registration, but unless you have a registration, most people don’t consider you for the job. Same is the situation with the VISA. If you don’t have a valid visa, most people don’t consider you for a job, and to get a visa, you need to show the home office that you have been offered a job. Although the situation now has changed for worse.
GMC was at one point in time, the most profitable organization in the UK. The PLAB exam was the main source of income for the GMC, which also relies on the membership fees on the running of the organization. Because of the sudden change in the VISA situation, the number of people attempting PLAB has decreased, thus leading to a decline in its income.
PLAB, otherwise called the professional and linguistic examination, is the exam that a person has to pass in order to start applying for jobs/training in the UK. It is a two part exam, first part being an MCQ and the second part an OSCE. The total cost of exams is around 500 pounds. The second part as of now can be taken only in the UK. A PLAB Visa costs you some more money and in addition, the flight tickets and the cost of stay in the UK.
A pass in the PLAB exam, does not guarantee a job, though. Most jobs in the UK, ask for previous UK experience, possession of a GMC registration and the possession of a valid visa. Even though, all employers in UK follow the equal opportunity policy of non discrimination, British nationals and EU citizens get priority for all the jobs.
The situation is always a paradox, because unless you get a job, the GMC does not give you a registration, but unless you have a registration, most people don’t consider you for the job. Same is the situation with the VISA. If you don’t have a valid visa, most people don’t consider you for a job, and to get a visa, you need to show the home office that you have been offered a job. Although the situation now has changed for worse.
GMC was at one point in time, the most profitable organization in the UK. The PLAB exam was the main source of income for the GMC, which also relies on the membership fees on the running of the organization. Because of the sudden change in the VISA situation, the number of people attempting PLAB has decreased, thus leading to a decline in its income.
Hoax of PLAB and HSMP part 2
Permit free training and HSMP
Traditionally, a person who managed to find a job, was given a permit free training visa, again for no reason, given for 6 months in the initial instance and then asked to renew after 6 months, which in total costs a person around 1000 pounds (500 pounds per application).
Since the last year, the home office has stopped issuing PFT as the DOH found that there were more overseas trainees, and the local graduates were finding it difficult to get jobs as they had to compete with local trainees. Hence they decided to stop the PFT scheme.
Now it states that anybody who wanted to train in the UK, needed to apply for the HSMP scheme. So now, everybody ends up spending another minimum 315 + 315 pounds for a HSMP status, so they could complete a training, which is not valid or accepted in most countries overseas.
Traditionally, a person who managed to find a job, was given a permit free training visa, again for no reason, given for 6 months in the initial instance and then asked to renew after 6 months, which in total costs a person around 1000 pounds (500 pounds per application).
Since the last year, the home office has stopped issuing PFT as the DOH found that there were more overseas trainees, and the local graduates were finding it difficult to get jobs as they had to compete with local trainees. Hence they decided to stop the PFT scheme.
Now it states that anybody who wanted to train in the UK, needed to apply for the HSMP scheme. So now, everybody ends up spending another minimum 315 + 315 pounds for a HSMP status, so they could complete a training, which is not valid or accepted in most countries overseas.
Working in the UK as a psychiatrist
After training in India, and working there for more than 5 years, you find that none of the training back in India is recognised here. To be honest, although a lot of importance is given to academics and research in the UK, it is restricted to a handful of people.
I found that the training back in India is more stringent and of very high standards. Adding to this is the load of patients that one gets exposed to, when training in India.
Finally when you apply for a job here, you are asked questions like, why did you want to take up psychiatry/ why do you want to pursue a career in psychiatry/ what qualities do you have to be a psychiatrist??
Well... I may have had many reasons for the above questions, when I started my training in psychiatry 6 years back. But as of now, the best reason for wanting to pursue a career is the fact that I dont want to start training as a surgeon or a medic after so many years and I enjoy what I am doing right now... why??? just like that...
I found that the training back in India is more stringent and of very high standards. Adding to this is the load of patients that one gets exposed to, when training in India.
Finally when you apply for a job here, you are asked questions like, why did you want to take up psychiatry/ why do you want to pursue a career in psychiatry/ what qualities do you have to be a psychiatrist??
Well... I may have had many reasons for the above questions, when I started my training in psychiatry 6 years back. But as of now, the best reason for wanting to pursue a career is the fact that I dont want to start training as a surgeon or a medic after so many years and I enjoy what I am doing right now... why??? just like that...
Saturday, January 6, 2007
Frustration
Frustration of not knowing whats going to happen...
Uncertainty about the future...
Fed up of incompetence and pretence...
I am trying to live life as it comes... one day at a time
Uncertainty about the future...
Fed up of incompetence and pretence...
I am trying to live life as it comes... one day at a time
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